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Frankly I expect more big government spending if Bush is re-elected. I see Bush as a continuation of Clinton's policies domestically. It is what he hasn't done that frightens me allowing Clinton's fiats to continue, his failure to reign in the courts or provide real tax relief. I suspect we can see more affirmative action, more illegal immigration and more PC nostrums. Posted by: James Longstreet at January 28, 2004 02:53 AM |
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From a purely pragmatic standpoint, it's hard to disagree with this: "they demand it; they will get it. The only interesting political question is: How will they get it?" One wonders if the Republican Party would eventually go the way of the Libertarian Party by refusing to dispense bread and circuses? Posted by: Jon Henke at January 28, 2004 06:18 AM |
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Excellent, McQ. Depressing as hell, but excellent. Posted by: Mike at January 28, 2004 07:44 AM |
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James ... most likely you're correct. So, as usual, you're effectively reduced to the "lesser of two evils" option vs. being able to vote your convictions/principles, aren't you? Anyone else tired of this? Jon ... no, "bread and circuses" are de riguer in today's political climate. In my opinion we've evolved past elimination of such being a viable option for today's major political parties. Mike ... thanks and yes, I agree ... depressing as hell. Posted by: McQ at January 28, 2004 09:27 AM |
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"In my opinion we've evolved past elimination of such being a viable option for today's major political parties." - - -If that's so, doesn't that make libertarians an anaochronism? Comparable to those who demand we revert to a Habbesian sovereignty? You know....irrelevant. And if so, what then? Posted by: Jon Henke at January 28, 2004 03:09 PM |
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Jon ... see key word "major" as in "major political parties". Posted by: McQ at January 28, 2004 07:37 PM |
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I didn't mean Libertarians...I meant libertarians. What I'm getting at is this: If the power of government to grow larger and larger is so consistent - short of violent revolution - what use is it to insist on libertarian ideals? Isn't that a bit like arguing that gravity is a bad idea and we should do something about it? (Also: sorry, that should have read "Hobbesian", not "Habbesian") Posted by: Jon Henke at January 28, 2004 07:54 PM |
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Great ideas grow from great concepts, principles, ideas, and premises. Sometimes, before they'll be considered, the pendulum just has to swing. Pragmatism and pandering are great when you're being pragmatic and a recipient of the pandering. But we're running out of payors and stocking up on payees. It stands to reason that the group standing there with the principles, premises and concept that offer a viable alternative when Atlas actually does shrug might get a serious look. But you have to stand on those principles, premises and concepts for that to happen. It gets lonely sometimes while you're waiting. ;) Posted by: McQ at January 28, 2004 08:40 PM |
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So, it's sort of a Kantian Categorical Imperative of politics. Act is you think everybody should act at all times. That's a very principled way to die, it seems to me. Understand, I'm very sympathetic to it...I just don't know that it's an objective analysis of our current options. It's the guy who says "well, I'd LIKE to tell the guy with a gun that I have no money, but that would be a lie...and lying is wrong". Yeah, sometimes it is. It depends on the cost/benefit analysis. What about the future? Will it eventually happen? It strikes me that a swing towards libertarianism could only really happen after some sort of crisis or revolution...and then only briefly. Only until things calm down again, and people desire safety ahead of liberty. In other words, liberty can never be assured...just maximized. The pendulum may swing briefly towards libertarianism, but only briefly. The trick may be to moderate the swings...never too far towards libertarianism, but never too far away. I wish I had more of a solution, but so far all I have is questions. Posted by: Jon Henke at January 28, 2004 08:54 PM |
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Yes, Bruce: I'm bloody sick and tired of it. But you knew that ten years ago. In the Nixon administration, my now-sainted father told me, "Son, if you think this administration is bad, just wait'll you see the next one." For thirty years -- all my adult life -- that man was never wrong about this. Long before the SCOTUS decided the Florida vote hematoma, I wrote: "Bush is going to be a spectacularly rotten president. Not especially evil, I think, but spectacularly rotten." And: "The Clintonism is seeped now, and I ain't counting on Dubya to ward it off." (You can read the whole article here.) And I'll say here something that you've heard me say before: until people in this country develop an authentic grip on principles nothing is going to change. Nobody who does not understand that fact has anything really serious to say. Posted by: Billy Beck at January 28, 2004 09:41 PM |
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Ah Von Beck ... good to see you banging around the halls here. Yes, we agree. To Jon ... a little, well not so little, quote from a hero of mine ... F.A.Hayek, from a collection of essays "Individualism and Economic Order" and an essay entitled "Individualism: True and False". It was written in 1948 and is addressing the previous 30 years: "After the experience of the last thirty years, there is perhaps not much need to emphasize that without principles we drift. The pragmatic attitude which has been dominant during that period, far from increasing our command over developments, has in fact led us to a state of affairs which nobody wanted; and the only result of our disregard of principles seems to be that we are governed by a logic of events which we are vainly attempting to ignore. The question now is not whether we need principles to guide us but rather whether there still exists a body of principles capable of general application which we could follow if we wished. Where can we still find a set of precepts which will give us definite guidance in the solution of the problems of our time? Is there anywhere a consistent philosophy to be found which supplies us not merely with the moral aims but with an adequate method for their achievement?" I'll again refer you to the title and let you guess what that philosophy is. As you well know, as an economist, Hayek was reviled and ridiculed while he lived, but he stuck by his principles, and, now we see him being vindicated. He could have been pragmatic about it all and changed a little here and a little there, but he didn't and we know the result. Sticking to your principles doesn't have to be a death sentence, Jon ... the whole point of having them is they're something you believe in and by which you choose to live your life. Individualism doesn't require you impose those values on others ... it simply requires you live the principles, because by doing so you are the strongest advertisement FOR your principles and philosophy. Of course, it doesn't hurt to talk about 'em a little too. ;) Posted by: McQ at January 28, 2004 10:26 PM |
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