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Wasn't Kerry in the Navy? How many houses did he burn to the ground from his swift boat? What exactly was his role in these search-and-destroy missions?

Posted by: Steverino at February 18, 2004 11:52 AM

He was in the navy but seems to have seen a lot more personal combat than the average enlistee in the navy.

Posted by: John T. Kennedy at February 18, 2004 12:40 PM

Well, the funny thing is that if he were elected president, Kerry seems the type to sign the US up to the International Criminal Court and IF he really did what he said he did (a big if, granted, given the nature of most of his previous war crimes statements), he could be hauled off to Brussels in handcuffs to face war crimes charges.

bob

Posted by: bob at February 18, 2004 12:50 PM

Kerry is so bent on criticizing Vietnam, he's now indicting himself too. Genius.

But let's not forget he's a "veteran's candidate."

Posted by: Mark at February 18, 2004 06:20 PM

Jon, congrats on the Best of the Web link! Great post...

"And all of these acts, I find out later on, are contrary to the Hague and Geneva conventions and to the laws of warfare."

I think he'd argue that he was absent the mens rea necessary for a conviction, but the Germans also tried out the 'I was just following orders' defense, too -- and look how they ended up.

Personally, I think he's full of it, but I don't think that part of his testimony is the biggest problem. I think he's going to have a lot more problem with the part where he accused the entire armed force with widespread and systemic war crimes and the US of "murdering 200,000 Vietnamese a year".

Posted by: Captain Ed at February 23, 2004 03:44 PM

Actually, I'd call BS on the "I found out later". If he was an officer, he was trained on what was and what wasn't "legal" in war.

Posted by: McQ at February 23, 2004 05:15 PM

I served in the "Brownwater Navy" in 1969, way down south in the Mekong Delta. I was the officer in charge of base security at a river patrol base. John Kerry's story of how he shot a wounded VC when nobody was looking doesn't make sense to me. Did he really run his boat aground "in the middle of the enemy position"? Why did he leave his crew aboard while he went running after a wounded VC? Isn't "in the middle of an enemy position" the place to get caught in a crossfire?

What is the real story of why he shot the VC? It mutates more often than the flu virus. Did he deliver the "coup de gras" (mercy killing)? When he discovered that was murder, he changed his story twice. The VC was running to get reinforcements, so Kerry shot him in the back. Or, if you don't believe that, "It was him or me. He had a B-40 rocket lanuncher. He could have killed me and my entire crew. If one wounded VC could have killed Kerry and his entire crew, then what the (bleep) was he doing beaching his boat in the middle of the emmemy position? Did it not occur to him that there might be a few more VC around with more B-40s.

The whole thing stinks. Kerry is either a reckless idiot, who is unfit to command a Swift, let alone be Commander in Chief. Or the whole story is a lie, and his Silver Star completely bogus.

If anybody knows what the current version of his heroic deeds is, please let me knowhow to find it.

Stu

Posted by: Stuart Van Tine at February 25, 2004 12:30 PM

. I am a U.S. Navy vet and I remember when Kerry and Hanoi Jane turned traitor and I believed then and now that if we had tried and imprisoned them then we wouldn’t be worrying about him now. I still think that he should be tried for war crimes just as Lt. William Calley was. Why is Kerry any less guilty of murder than Lt. Calley. At least Lt. Calley didn’t sympathize with the communist

Posted by: jim at February 28, 2004 08:06 PM

Well I say that Kerry is guilty of war crimes as he has stated, but not nearly to the extent that G. W. Bush is. Starting a "pre-emptive" war based on blatantly hyped up intelligence while killing at least ten thousand civilians surely is much more serious than what that scumbag Kerry pulled off in Vietnam. Bush, Cheney, rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, and the rest ought to be shipped off to the Hague to join Milosovich and Kerry.

Posted by: Nick Stabler at March 8, 2004 10:20 PM

The heroic John Kerry served less than 5 months as CO of his Swift boat. Why ? Turns out the Navy has rule that allows a sailor wounded 3 times to ask to be removed from the front lines. So this "heroic" officer abandoned his crew after his third "wounding". By his own admission none of his injuries actually kept him from duty. All shrapnel wounds, no bullet wounds. He chose to leave the Nam, like a chicken***t.

Posted by: Jeff Carlson at March 9, 2004 04:38 PM

WHO SUBMITTED KERRY FOR THE PURPLE HEARTS OR ANY OTHER MEDALS.
WHERE ARE THE MEDICAL RECORDS.
WHO PAID TO GET HIM OUT OF NAM EARLY.

Posted by: JKEY at March 25, 2004 01:33 AM

Kerry served 4 months in 'Nam, he was injured three times (the first being in his first 24 hours in Vietnam). He WILL NOT release the details of his injuries for the public to see (I am speculating that he stubbed his toe). Additionally, he eventually got out of Vietnam because he wanted to run for office and a senator gave him a "early out". He also stated that we should abandon Vietnam and leave our POWs begind. --> For these FACTS check out your PBS station and look for the Dick Cavett Show with a debate between Kerry and O'Neil. It will disgust you...
He states that he is for the average American, but who is more American? One who fights to preserve the American way or one who lives off the welfare system? You decide.... He is a traitor to his fellow servicemen and to the United States of America.

Posted by: dabutrader at March 30, 2004 10:16 AM

Anyone who calls Kerry, or any other service member who has been in combat but released due to injury, a "chicken sh*t", has obviously zero experience in the forces. Enough said.

Posted by: quiz at April 3, 2004 12:48 AM

Fuck Kerry Fucking Pussy

Chris

Posted by: Chris at April 18, 2004 08:48 PM

You can download "Dick Cavett Show" using
edongkey2000.com's program.
Type "JohnKerryVietcong" in the search box.
The clip is 50Mb, 90minutes long.
John Kerry delivered a message from a communist and believed her.
Vietnamization failed as he had said, but why?
It is because many people such as Hanoi Jane and John Kerry stabbed the back of American soldiers, and the lack of vietnamese willingness to fight for freedom.

Posted by: Park Hoyoung at April 22, 2004 11:22 PM

I hope a confessed war criminal such as john kerry is jailed instead of made president by scared voters.

Posted by: Ted Albertson at April 29, 2004 11:27 AM

has anyone seen the scars where Kerry was wounded
would be interesting to see if he has any

Posted by: chief at June 10, 2004 03:00 PM

i would like to see the scars where Kerry was wounded

Posted by: chief at June 10, 2004 03:01 PM

Fuck John Kerry that fucking liberal piece of two face lying back stabbing dog shit fucker. I hope he rots in hell along with all the other commies, nazis, faggots, and cocksuckers. He is a disscrace to our country and he deserves to be strung up to a tree and shot by a death squad. Go ahead and put fucking Bill (shit eating) Clinton, Jesse (ass raping) Jackson, Micheal (kid fucking faggot) Jackson and that stupid nigger ; Sharpton stupid fucking nigger. Fucking god damn democrats you bunch of fucking cry babies bitches. Democrats can all go fuckin suck my cock you piece of shit butt fucking asswipes. Fuck Micheal Moore and his stupid fucking movie. Thats why it hasnt done shit at the box office anyway. He probaley has the whole movie of him and Al Gore fucking cows and sheep. FUCK ALL YOU GOD DAMN NAZI BUTT FUCKING LIBERALS. FUCKING ROTT IN HELL!!GEORGE BUSH IS A GOD CAUSE HE GOT RID OF THAT STUPID FUCKER SADDAM H. FUCK THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST. WE SHOULD JUST NUKE ALL THE SONS OF BITCHES AND THERE WOULDNT BE ANYMORE TERRORISM. FUCKING BLOW UP FRANCE (AGAIN) TOO.

PROUD TO BE A REPUBLICAN!

PS----LIBERALS ARE GOING TO LOSE HA HA HA HA

Posted by: Julian at July 13, 2004 01:28 AM

GOOD MEN WERE DYING, WHILE "HANOI JOHN" WAS LYING!

Posted by: Ridge Runner at July 21, 2004 11:29 PM

Why hasn't Kerry's confession turned up on any of
the popular news media? Why has he been sheltered
by so-called investigative reporters for a full
disclosure of his heroic war time activities. Why was he sheltered from prosecution as a war-criminal? Why did he get a bogus early out?

Cause he's a rich east coast liberal with political influence and the mindless voters will give him the presidency!!!

Posted by: Ed at July 26, 2004 07:37 AM

Hee hee. What a bunch of moron's you all are. Arguing about Kerry, a man who volunteered to go to Vietnam, yet think Bush is god. I guess you forgot about Bush going AWOL? Haven't you heard that his daddy had to blow half of congress to get his little boy into the champaigne division? Then you belittle the 3 purple hearts that a true war hero was awarded? I certainly hope that none of you have anyone in your family that was awarded the purple heart. Maybe they were all pussies that got them for getting scratches? You all suck.

Posted by: Bush Sucks at July 26, 2004 09:05 AM

Ok, Julian, I'm not usually one to flame, but Jesus H. Christ.... I am a republican, and in the US NAVY. Personally I think that John Kerry is as worthless as an Iraqi bill with Saddam's face on it. But, back to you... You make the rest of the republican backers look like a bunch of un-educated idiots. I seriously doubt that you are a "real" Republican. You may be a redneck who likes seeing people die, but that is not the reason we attacked Iraq. This country is based on simple principals of freedom. As a quite popular Navy poster states, this country is about Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of those who threaten it. You need to take a spelling lesson, and drop the profanity. Swearing that much just makes you look like an un-educated idiot. I hate kerry as much as you do, but I can say that while still sounding intelligent. Thank you for your time.

Posted by: Adam at July 28, 2004 11:16 AM

Yeah, the war was about installing a pro usa democracy in the mid-east to change the cycle of propaganda there. Bush just thought it would be easiest to sell it on the WMD thread, because everyone thought saddam had them (Remember Halabja? And when they cleared out the inspectors in the 90's should we believe he didn't have them?) With Iraqis making about $1600 a year under saddam, they can see how they can have a better life.(consequently, kuwait is just to the east and much smaller, and median income is about $15000; saddam really stole a lot from his own people as you can see) Then maybe the citizens won't blindly follow the local terrorist group, dictator, ayatollah, mujadeen, or whoever else will deceive them. We need to get these people educated. Then when Iraq improves then maybe the rest of the middle east will see the benefits of democracy.

Posted by: Jason at July 29, 2004 08:29 AM

I lived the Vietnam era - John Kerry is a real hero and patriot. He helped to save many American lives. Thank God for people like him.

Posted by: Joy at August 1, 2004 08:55 AM

Almost all John Kerry's crewmates are on the road campaigning for him, and it isn't because he was magically thrown into enemy fire with a bunch of Democrats. Ask them whether or not he deserves his medals.

The fact is war is rough and has the potential to bring out the best and worst in people. He testified about free fire zones and search and destroy missions because he felt he was given orders by his superiors that violated international law. The whole reason he testified in the first place was to show Vietnam was a mess and that the truth needed to get out about the problems there.

He could have been a nice little boy and kept quiet. But he made a choice to speak out against his government, and that's a leadership quality. The message I'm getting from this whole new generation of anti-Kerry, anti-Clinton types which is just as bitter and angry as the McCarthyism croud from the last generation is not to question authority, but only half of authority. The other half are a bunch of angels.

Posted by: David Ochodnicky at August 1, 2004 02:20 PM

David: Why not read the post carefully and understand that no one here is calling John Kerry a war criminal. All that was done was to quote John Kerry essentially calling himself a war criminal.

If you're satisfied with someone who characterized what he did during his wartime service as "atrocities", then what's that say about you?

Posted by: McQ at August 1, 2004 02:42 PM

As an Independent, I am having a really difficult time with this election. Right now it seems that Bush is "the lesser of two evils". Kerry hasn't shown me that he FIRMLY stands for anything. Although Bush does hold firm beliefs, I have a hard time agreeing with many of them.

This is the second presidential election in a row where voters are being forced to vote for the candidate they are least uncomfortable with.

As for the war criminal issue, it could go both ways according to the news story at the following link.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4999734/site/newsweek/

Posted by: DogJaw at August 2, 2004 02:07 PM

Dog Jaw: While I agree with your overall feeling (i.e. the lesser of two evils), as to this specific subject, I don't see any comparison with what Kerry said he did (his self-described atrocities) and a debate over whether something is legal or a supposed war crime. What you cite from MSNBC talks about some pretty murky legal stuff which could be interpreted either way. What's being talked about by Kerry is disputed by few as being war crimes or at the least, and as he described them, atrocities.

Posted by: McQ at August 2, 2004 02:14 PM

As a member of the U.S. Army Reserves and a former active duty member of the U.S. Air Force, John "F"ing Kerry brings a great deal of shame on all veterans. His dishonest and disgraceful service in Vietnam and his dishonest and disgraceful lying about servicemen in front of Congress are unforgivable. If he wants to get the proper treatment for his "service" in Vietnam, then he should receive it. There is no time limit for war criminals to be tried. Let's put him on trial for war crimes, that he alleges that he committed. This slam against veterans must not be allowed to stand.

Posted by: MTZ at August 5, 2004 03:38 PM

Boy George W Bitch Jr will lose the election

Posted by: earl grandilopolizeivich at August 11, 2004 04:33 AM

You people are all nuts. Do you not care about the economy or the environement or that Bush is selling the country to the highest bidder. Do you not care that Bush and his neocons laid out their plan for world domination over six years ago?

Do you not care that over 20% of this country lives in poverty? And that includes the working poor! Not welfare mothers, you asswipes. People working two jobs to make ends meet because the only empoyer in town is wal-mart?

Do you not care that your civil liberties are being taken away one by one? Do you not care we're heading for a major, worldwide depression?

All you can talk about is Kerry's war record. Hello! Georgie Porgie Puddin Pie turned tail and RAN as fast as he could, crying to daddy to get out of war. Yet, he's happy to send other people to war.

Do you not care Bush committed insider trading? I'm a floor trader, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to the econmoy and Bush's shady business dealings. I'm also in a high tax bracket.

I'll pay the frigging taxes. I don't have to worry about putting food on my table or heat my house. I can do those things with thousands of dollars a month to spare.

You people make me sick. Ashamed to be an American and even ashamed to be human.

I'm disgusted with the whole lot of you.

Compassionate Conservatism my ass! It's more like rape the public land, loot the treasury, make all our friends rich -- screw the rest of the world.

Hey, if that's your mindset, fine... but if it's not what you really believe, you got a major cognative disconnect going on and you need to get your heads out of your asses!

Oh, I forgot, we don't need to worry about the future, Jesus is coming!

Yeah, right.

Posted by: JD at August 13, 2004 05:30 PM

Goodness......Relax everyone!....stay on the subject!......Stick to the facts. I have seen and listened to Mr. Kerry SELF ADMIT to war crimes. So can all of you. This is a FACT. It is real!
He was in-country (NAM) for a maximum of 4 months. this is FACT!
He admits to actually seeing NO OTHER individuals commiting any crimes. FACT! His VP candate John the ATTOURNY, would call his atrosity aligations hearsay!
How dare he want to become our "Commander in Chief!"
If Mr. Kerry continues to "stand on his war record" then he needs to release ALL his records and face the over 200 real veterans that served with him , near him, for him and those he worked for who are speaking up now!.....And face punishment for his SELF ADMITTED crimes.

I submit to all of you now! (as a 50 year old well seasoned man, Father, Grandfather, making less than $12000.00 per year) That Mr. Kerry Is "at best" a LIER and all of us need to make him accountable..... as our lawyers and news media demand of us all.
As for his domestic policys: If anyone thinks that a BILLIONAIR who is incapable the truth, or one who has NO CLEAR commitment to ANY policy Is going to do ANYTHING for our children....You need to do more REAL RESEARCH! This AIN"T hollywood!
LOOK at this guys history!!! Then think about your country and your children.......Then make sure that you go VOTE!.......I myself am going to vote for a man that has kept the killers off of my home turf and one who says what he means....not what WE want to hear. I am going to vote for a MAN....and a VP who has experience doing the BUISNESS OF AMERICANS for many years.

"The best leaders surround themselves with the BEST advisors" WE ARE AT WAR with an invisable enemy.........We don't a lier and a pretty lawyer to become the most powerfull people in the world to satisify egos and hollywood.

PEACE AND SAFETY TO ALL!.........doc

Posted by: Bob at August 18, 2004 09:16 PM

Personally, I cannot ignore the 'leading other servicemen, into returning their medals' when he himself in-fact tossed in another man's medals and kept his own.

I can perhaps intellectually understand a good part of it all, have struggled to keep an open mind,

but I still simply cannot seem to convince myself, that a man would be a good President who

HAS lead other 'Americans' in the past,

on film,

to do something based upon 'him thinking it's the best thing to do and that he's doing it himself'

but who it is later found did NOT do it himself (aka pied-piper of Americans, leading the lambs off the cliff and stepping back to watch).

This appears to be a man who accepts embrases and still to this day justifies that behavior - and which kind of behavior comes from a place/lodged deep within his psyche (aka will happen again), and I can't in any semblance of good conscience vote him into this particular office. Noway.

And if ya don't understand that, might want to ask/blame the guy for the problem, who created the dilemma by his own actions in 1971: Kerry himself.

Posted by: In Agreement with Bob at August 20, 2004 12:20 PM

I've been in the Army for over twenty years. I stomached Clinton for eight long years. I plan on serving till they make me leave. If Kerry is elected I'm putting in for retirement and stocking up on ammo. Shit will hit the fan, and I plan on being on the right side.

Posted by: John at August 20, 2004 04:07 PM

To John:

I'd rather stand behind just one of you, than choose to stand behind tens of thousands of those who think like (or follow the pied-piper) Kerry, when it hits too.

When and if it does hit, I'm thinking that history will write itself, as former-Kerry-ites start lining up behind me (who's standing firmly behind you).

Far as I'm concerned, thank God for men like you. It's the only chance we've got.

Posted by: In Agreement with Bob at August 20, 2004 07:26 PM

To JD:

typical liberal, can't make a real point, based on facts,so you stick with the mikie moore movie script and call the PRESIDENT a lyar without even attempting to research the facts.

On one hand you have over 60 (real)decorated vets telling you what they actually saw this 4 month self inflicting wound(s)hero NOT do. But you can't even stop hating long enough to realize that if Kerry would only release his military records (like the press forced the PRESIDENT to do)he could clear this up easily.

Then, after the sun shown on you and you started to use your own brian, you might start thinking about Kerry's 20 worthless years in the Senate where he basically occupied space and did nothing but vote for or suggest ways to make this country even weaker that what Clinton left it.

you poor stupid *&%%$^

Posted by: john at August 23, 2004 03:28 PM

I'm a Vietnamese and lived through the Vietnam War. I would have to say that John Kerry is such a loser, an embarrassment of the United State, and a betrayer. He doesn't even know how Viet Cong is like, he'd never once lived in the Commumist county as normal people to feel how it's like without FREEDOM. You don't even have freedom to pee without the Communist Gov's permission. Millions of Vietnamese people had to flee away from their own country, regardless where they'd end up on the sea, rather than living with idiot Communist, meanwhile, Kerry and Jane Fonda yelled "The American should be on their knees to pray for living in the Communist Society." Those two stupiest American I haven't seen in my life.
Yeah! Vote for Kerry, and you'll see your country will be filled up with red flags from China, Vietnam all over the place.

Posted by: Tan Le at September 21, 2004 09:41 PM

by the way.... for those American who died in Vietnam, they're always our Vietnamese's heroes. They fought for our freedom just like who's fighting in Iraq now. ONLY Kerry and Jane are war crimes!!! They're trashes of this country. Waste them!

Posted by: Tan Le at September 21, 2004 09:48 PM