May 07, 2004

Dayton's a ditz
Posted by McQ

Cap'n Ed at Captain's Quarters (one of my "daily read" blogs) provides us with this transcript from an exchange between MN Democratic Senator Mark Dayton and Gen Meyers. Before providing this, and in keeping with the trend in aplogies, the Cap'n apologizes for all of Minnesota for being represented by the likes of Dayton. I understand that the Arabs weren't at all impressed by the Cap'n apology.

But back to the point:

Two points:

1. Had the Defense Department planned on "suppressing" the story, they wouldn't have called and asked CBS not to run it. They'd have gone over there and stopped CBS from running it. That's a huge difference which is entirely lost on Dayton.

2. Dayton is completely off-track about this not being our tradition. All news from the war was approved before it was allowed to be sent to the US broadcast in WW II among other measures in place.

Seems a Senator that's going to make those types of accusations would do his homework on the one hand and undestand the utter stupidity of his charge on the other hand.

Something tells me Dayton isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Suppress the news!

Good grief.

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I'd like to apologize that Cap'n Ed is an American citizen. His ignorance and foolishness isn't reflective of most Americans.

On to McQ's "points"

First, McQ ought to look up 'suppress.' It doesn't mean what he thinks it might. Among other definitions, suppress means to keep from public knowledge. Thus, Dayton's use was perfectly accurate. Moreover, it's highly doubtful the Pentagon could have prevented CBS from using the material. Perhaps McQ believes we are under martial law and the Constitution has been suspended.

Point two; McQ tells us about WWII. A glance at today's paper should clue in McQ that it ain't 1944 anymore. Nor were these materials information between Govt. agencies. They were pictures taken by service personnel that were already in the public domain. Moreover, various DoD reports--such as the Taguba Report--were also in the public domain.

Cap'n Ed's not a very bright bulb. He has an excuse for his particular brand of idiocy. The fact is CBS should be rebuked for having bowed to Myer's request. No useful purpose was served as the accounts of murder, torture, sexual assault and rape were already in the public domain via the Taguba Report and other accounts.

Posted by: JadeGold at May 8, 2004 01:46 PM

Well, as usual, you're interpretation is incorrect.

Suppress: v., 1. to put and end to the activity or existence of, espeicially by force or authority., 2. to keep from being known or seen.

Oxford American Dictionary.

Now Jade, using either definition tell us how Meyer's REQUEST a) puts and end to the activity or b) keeps it from being known or seen.

After all, its simply a request and it can do neither if CBS rejects it, which, of course, they did.

So on the face of it, you're wrong ... just as Dayton was.

As usual you trip into logical fallacy land by erecting the old straw man and thumping it.

Rumsfeld said "Throughout the history of this country, there have been instances where military situations have existed that have led government to talk to members of the media and make an editorial request of them that they delay for some period disclosing some piece of information."

He's correct as shown in the historical example.

Dayton says: "...but attempts to suppress news reports, to withhold the truth from Congress and from the American people is antithetical to democracy.'

Per the definition, under either version, there was no attempt to suppress the news report. It was a simple request which CBS denied.

And there was no attempt to "withhold the truth" from Congress or the American people. The fact that an investigation had been initiated concerning prisoner abuse at Abu Gharib had been briefed TO THE MEDIA by the military soon after the Taguba 15-6 was initiated.

Could it have been done better ... you bet. But there's a vast difference between a real attempt to withhold something (i.e cover it up) and bad communication. Anyone who has paid even passing attention to this knows there is absolutely no evidence of a cover up.

To pretend otherwise is simply disingenuous.

Posted by: McQ at May 8, 2004 02:35 PM

McQ: Dayton wasn't wrong. The DoD attempted to suppress this information and CBS--stupidly--complied until the network got concerned other media outlets would scoop them.

The point you miss is that Myers had no business making the request. And let's talk a little about such requests. DoD has the ability to make life a lot more difficult (or easier) for media outlets. CBS, lke any other media outlet, understands this. For example, they understand DoD could severely limit access to flag officers, restrict press credentials to reporters in warzones, etc. Therefore, turning down a 'request' isn't exactly like turning your neighbor's request to use your hedge trimmer.

Additionally, you should read the entire portion of Dayton's transcript. Remember, 3 hours before CBS aired the photos--Myers and Rumsfeld were in a closed meeting with half the Senate. And they didn't bother mentioning the CBS story.

Tell us, McQ, there was no intent to suppress these photos. DoD pressures CBS and they nelect to inform Congress in closed session. Explain to us what exactly DoD was doing.

Posted by: JadeGold at May 8, 2004 05:01 PM

You are KING of the non-sequitur.

But on to the actual point:

Suppress means to what? Yeah ... NOT what Meyers did.

Meyers has every RIGHT to try and have their release delayed if he thought their release may harm HIS soldiers.

Obviously that is something beyond the mental grasp of some.

To have suppressed them, he'd have had to shut CBS down or confiscated the pictures.

He didn't.

Therefore, he suppressed NOTHING. And thus Dayton is WRONG.

Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

Posted by: McQ at May 8, 2004 05:50 PM