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Much that Lewis says is correct, but the Arab whining about double standards remains utter bunk. They vilify and demonize the US almost no matter what it does/doesn't do. They're hallucinogenic (in Goldhagen's meaning) about their anti-Americanism, and also utterly dishonest (otherwise why the huge % of young Arabs identifying emigration to the US as a desirable option in that UN-sponsored study of the Arab world a few years back?). When one of the most odious and barbaric Arab autocrats devours Kuwait, killing and looting in medieval style, he's widely admired for "standing up to America" -- get your mind around the combination of moral imbecility and analytical dysfunction in that whopper. Oh, and by the way, within Iraq itself, the moral objection to the rape of Kuwait was ..... wait, I'm still straining to hear it ... oh yeah, about 7 westernized intellectuals in B'dad ostentatiously trotted out by CNN in the run-up to war who refused to buy looted goods at the souk. Aside from Kurds (who aren't Arabs of course and have their own special insight into Arab racism, barbarism, and treachery), most Iraqis weren't too troubled by the depredations against the "bedouin" in Kuwait. The moral degradation of Palestinians, who widely support the unbelievably repugnant murder of innocents, is just a slightly worse version of the moral rot in the wider Arab world. That rot's entirely home-grown, as must be any real solutions. Given the fundamental dysfunction in the Arab world, their purported resentment at alleged "double standards" by the US is small beer -- but even that item in the litany doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny. The august Arab populace presumes to lecture the US on how to protect its interests and those of its allies while dealing with the snake-pit that is the world Arabs themselves create. No sale. (BTW, Bush's sweeping critique of decades of US policy in the region in his democracy initiative speech was a troubling descent into cheap-shot second-guessing -- those with really nifty alternative ideas for alternative ways of securing And when the US moves (sacrifice its own blood and treasure) to remove the worst Arab regime of all, how do most Arabs react? Honking horns, tossing candy out to people on the street? No -- more of the sullen, hallucinogenic, self-contradictory anti-US slanders, along with tears and rage, and avid consumption of crude cartoon propaganda off al-Jazeera. Hate almost always says much more about the one hating than those who are hated. So too here. I feel no need to play along with Arab psychological and social failure -- I pity them, but it's up to the patient to help himself. Posted by: IceCold at June 25, 2004 04:28 PM |
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Ice: Tell us how you really feel! Heh. I have no real argument with your points. In most cases their "hate" is self-serving, in that it gives them the ability to ignore their complete and utter failures by blaming (and hating) the West. Cool beans. And I covered that when I said " Yes, there's jealousy, there's an inferiority complex, there's even the religious difference, but that only addresses segments of the issue." There's no question that the West has, in the past, at least given the perception of an 'attitude' and an 'approach' which smacked of pragmatism over human rights. Hard to deny that whether true or not (and I think we both know its more true than not). If one looks at the intervention in Kosovo juxtaposed with Iraq its hard to defend against that premise. Iraq was in full bloom when Kosovo was just heating up ... but we were outraged by Kosovo ... but not Iraq. Result: Perception validated whether in fact true or not, eh? The same people who argued we belonged in Kosovo (the left) argued against any intervention in Iraq. Perception validated. The shredders turned, Iraqi women were plucked out of the Bazaar for the entertianment of Uday and his bro, mass graves were filled and again, the perception was validated. In 1991 we pushed Saddam out of Kuwait and encourged the people of Iraq to get rid of him, then stood by and watched him slaughter those who were naive enough, brave enough or dumb enough to do it. Perception validated. My intent wasn't to excuse their hate, it was to explain the basis of some of it and how the left's continued insistance that freeing Iraqis wasn't a good enough reason to go to war validates that perception I've discussed. I think Lewis is correct in his assessement about this one underlying cause of the hate. Posted by: McQ at June 25, 2004 04:54 PM |
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Kerry illustrates this point rather nicely. While Bush's stated goal is democracy for Iraq (and the region) Kerry has repeatedly said the goal should be "stability" Guess he thinks the ability to self-govern is beyond the brown peoples... Posted by: shark at June 25, 2004 08:29 PM |
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McQ, sorry for going off on a bit of a rant that was somewhat OT, and thanks for staying cool and patient. I also don't really disagree with your main point. I like to see any assertion on foreign policy be transformable into a brief action memo with real options and actual alternatives in order to take it seriously -- it's a good discipline, and of course almost all the jaw-flapping one hears on any topic utterly fails that test. In the case of US support for Arab autocrats from WWII to recently, concrete alternatives would have to be offered that would have adequately advanced/protected US interests. Not saying it couldn't be done -- but I haven't seen it done, and to me there's not much moral force in the mere observation that the US backed some unsavory regimes. But since you brought up Kosovo, that reminds me of an astonishing TV segment I saw sometime last year. Interview with some shopkeepers in Jeddah, S.A. Some standard-issue America-bashing was going on, and the interviewer (in a dramatic departure from the pathetic standards we're now accustomed to in western journalists) suddenly tried to challenge their insulting ignorant comments by pointing out the US had intervened in Kosovo to save Muslims. Oh no -- these guys would have none of that, and smilingly dismissed the reporter's info as false. He never even got to bring up Kuwait (and implicitly, Saudi Arabia) or Somalia. With this level of ignorance and delusion, it's really difficult to imagine a meaningful dialogue. Almost like talking to lots of Americans and Europeans these days .... Posted by: IceCold at June 25, 2004 11:16 PM |
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I thought Thomas Sowell had the best and simplest answer to the "Why do they hate us" question I've ever heard: Because the alternative is hating themselves, and they're not about to do that. Muslim culture, as they're fond of reminding us, was once the pinnacle of human scientific, medical and philosophic endeavor. It's been a long, hard fall from which they've never recovered. They are told from birth that they are Allah's favored children, they are superior to all other humans on this planet, etc. Then they look around at the squalor they live in and realize something doesn't compute (after looking up "compute" in the Zionist dictionary). When your life sucks, it's more convenient to blame a boogeyman than to admit it's your own backwards-ass religion that's keeping you from sharing in today's era of unrivaled prosperity. Just another version of The Man keeping them down. Sounds like someone else I know... Posted by: Jeff at June 25, 2004 11:26 PM |
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