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Moore is a registered DEMOCRAT - something he has publicly denied.

THEREFORE MOORE IS A LIAR.

ALSO: MOORE is CURRENTLY REGISTERED TWICE as a DEMOCRAT, in both NYC and Michigan.

This is illegal.

These charges are TRUE, and are not a MERE "MOORE-LIKE" twisting of reality -- as your attempt at ironic spoofing of Moore is.

Posted by: dan at June 29, 2004 11:42 AM

Er, ok. But that doesn't really have much to do with claims he made in his movie.

Also, you'll note I linked to the SmokingGun.com report on his voting registration above.

Posted by: Jon Henke at June 29, 2004 11:46 AM

what, you couldn't find evidence linking Moore to satanic worship and goat diddling? ;)

Posted by: shark at June 29, 2004 12:07 PM

Moore is a liar; his movie is ALSO filled with lies, and distortions.

These two points are "er" not coincidences:

Persons who have no regard for the truth when it comes to themselves will not have it in their work-product.

Persons who place any value in any product produced by a liar - an agitatating, denigrating, liar - are fools.

NO MOVIE EVER MADE BY MOORE WAS RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING!

ALL WERE FILLED WITH LIES :

1 - GM is a good corporation - still the biggest cr maker in the world

2 - MORE AMERICANS ARE EMPLOYED BY THE AUTO INDUSTRY IN THE USA THAN EVER

3 - GUN CONTROL HAS NO EFFECT ON VIOLENT GUN CRIME - ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD (according to UN/Cambridge studies); and you could never get a gun at any bank.

ROGER & ME, Bowling FOR COLUMBINE, and F911 - are ALL lying propagandistic movies that distort the truth and advocate policies that would actually cause more harm than good.

Moore and the Left are a REAL DANGER to the well-being of the world. Their policies would decrease or freedom. our saftey, and our prosperity.

Only the danger posed by Islamofascism is greater than that posed by the Left.

If you REALLY want to increase human freedom, safety and prosperity WORLDWIDE, you must oppose Leftist policies. Or you must lie - to yourself and others ---- as Moore does all the time.

Posted by: dan at June 29, 2004 12:24 PM

Shark: I'm saving it for blackmail. :)

Dan: Ok. You're sorta preaching to the choir here. And there's no need for all caps in every post.

Posted by: Jon Henke at June 29, 2004 12:29 PM

Yeah, I gotta agree with Jon, here. The all caps deal is kinda creepy. It has long been the accepted internet convention that the use of all caps is considered similar to shouting, and is rude.

I'm an old USEnet guy, so when I see a post with all caps, the first thing I think is, "crank", and move on to somebody else's comments.

Posted by: Dale Franks at June 29, 2004 12:57 PM

What's worse, Jon, is that "Celsius 250" has been denounced by mainstream Liberal groups like People For the Return of Stalinist Rule, The Massachesetts Center For Self-Loathing and Hamas who have attempted to actually prevent the distribution of this controversial work; in fact, Terry McCauliffe has been in virtually constant contact with your ISP threatening lawsuits, retribution or dinner with Susan Sarandon in order to persuade them to halt its publication. As a service to our progressive ideas, and the preservation of our relations with the French we must all read this controversial work, which, have I mentioned, is very controversial?

Posted by: TMarcell at June 29, 2004 01:43 PM

Jon,

I caught on to your deceptive use of facts very quickly, as others will also do; so I'm not going to be fooled by your propaganda. To wit:

Celsius 250?? Come on the guy's gotta be pushing 270 at least!

Posted by: JFH at June 29, 2004 02:01 PM

As per Drudge today:

Hillary Clinton: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"

Lennin couldn't have said it better himself.

Posted by: shark at June 29, 2004 02:06 PM

By the way- I find this comment, made by a high profile senator with higher aspirations, to be absolutely appalling, and it seriously scares the hell out of me. Today she feels my tax cut should be taken away for the common good. What will she want taken away from me tomorrow "for the common good"? My house? My car? My savings account?

Posted by: shark at June 29, 2004 02:09 PM

And if I may rant a bit, this fricking witch is gonna take money out of my pocket for "the common good" while she lives in a goddamn mansion and (along with her husband) has been the biggest and greediest suckler of the public teat for over a decade?

And she dares to speak of what I'm going to have to lose- what I'm going to have taken away from me,- "for the common good"?

You first Hillary dear. You first.

Posted by: shark at June 29, 2004 02:22 PM

show me post with all caps? PLEASE.

Posted by: dan at June 29, 2004 02:59 PM

Moore turned me into a newt!!

Posted by: Murray at June 29, 2004 05:23 PM

You got better, didn't you? :)

Posted by: Jon Henke at June 29, 2004 05:29 PM

Great post. Thanks!

Posted by: Mac at June 29, 2004 07:15 PM

A very amusing title Jon. :)

And nice job investigating Moore.

Check out "www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com", a film which seeks in part to uncover the truth about Moore's distortions.

(I guess "Celcius 250) already has competition! D'oh!)

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"Dan states: GUN CONTROL HAS NO EFFECT ON VIOLENT GUN CRIME - ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD (according to UN/Cambridge studies); and you could never get a gun at any bank."

You're on the right track Dan, but in places where gun control is imposed (i.e., England), crime rates INCREASE, so there is in fact a major effect. Check out John Lott's "The Bias Against Guns" more a ton of info on this topic.

Moore's "Open account and Get gun" was a set up (i.e., bullshit). I'm not surprised.

Posted by: Mark at June 29, 2004 08:34 PM

Now don't be coy Dan, You know they were referring to your GENEROUS OVER USE OF THE SHOUTING-LIKE CAPS...

Posted by: Bruce at June 30, 2004 02:27 PM

I WOULD TAX PEOPLE WHO STAND IN WATER.

Posted by: Gumby at June 30, 2004 02:45 PM

I WOULD ELECTRIFY PEOPLE WHO STAND IN WATER

Posted by: Pokey at June 30, 2004 04:03 PM

Jon Henke said: "I'll elucidate: Celsius 250: The temperature at which fat burns."

I wonder what happens at "488"? Find out by reading my post, MICHAEL MOORE'S NEW FILM: "~488 CELSIUS".

Best Premises,

Martin Lindeskog - American in Spirit.
Gothenburg, Sweden (a.k.a the socalist "paradise").

Posted by: Martin Lindeskog at June 30, 2004 06:41 PM

I think it's appalling for Moore to be registered to vote twice, I don't care if one vote is for him and the other(New York vote, natch) is for his humongous fat ass. Which makes me think about Tyler Durden, btw.

Posted by: Eric at July 1, 2004 07:47 AM

With all the right wing commentators giving us their twisted interpretations of the "truth" during the last several years, I for one, think Moore and Franken are a breath of fresh air.

For those who take the time to actually try to find the truth, my experience has been that the Fresh Air guys usually have a higher batting average.

Posted by: hfb at July 2, 2004 01:06 PM

hfb: Hard to imagine "truth" and "Moore" occupying the same thought. But then, there's always the left, isn't there?

Posted by: McQ at July 2, 2004 01:18 PM

In regards to your ridiculous sex-offender implications:

The Moore you found was born in 1953, while our Michael Moore was born in 1954. He currently lives in New York City and previously lived in Flint, Michigan (not Coldwater). His middle name is not Lee. And I think we'd all agree that our Mikey isn't going to pass for 178 lbs.

When making petty allegations, at least try harder.

Posted by: jericho at July 3, 2004 07:09 AM

Jerico:

Go to the bookshelf.

Pick up the dictionary and open it to the term "parody".

Read cited definition.

Make sense now?

Posted by: McQ at July 3, 2004 08:08 AM

It is quite possible that the film used to make F911 is not biodegradeable. Will the guys/gals at ELF be happy with this, I bet not.

Posted by: J_Crater at July 6, 2004 12:38 PM

Re:
In regards to your ridiculous sex-offender implications:

The Moore you found was born in 1953, while our Michael Moore was born in 1954. He currently lives in New York City and previously lived in Flint, Michigan (not Coldwater). His middle name is not Lee. And I think we'd all agree that our Mikey isn't going to pass for 178 lbs.

When making petty allegations, at least try harder.

Posted by: jericho at July 3, 2004 07:09 AM

Jerico:
* * * * *
Go to the bookshelf.

Pick up the dictionary and open it to the term "parody".

Read cited definition.

Make sense now?

Posted by: McQ at July 3, 2004 08:08 AM
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No, actually, it doesn't.

I think you were probably looking at the definition of "smear" or possibly "lies".

Parody requires wit, not ridiculous charges which have absolutely no relationship to fact.
I'm not surprised that you don't know the difference.

Posted by: Mellis at September 28, 2004 04:08 PM

Thanks to Hfb, jericho and Mellis, they're the only 3 post that makes sense (and the one talking about Capitals letters, but it has nothing to do with Michael Moore).
1st of all, most of what you said is bullshitting because you are afraid someone like Moore remove some of your rights, including the right to be rich and to let the poor die of hunger, to pay for medical treatment while he poor have to fix their broken legs at home because they can't afford the hospitals fees, and most of all, your right to proclaim yourself as superior because you have more money than someone else.

Now that my opinion is said, here's the facts:
Quote for Dan :
"Moore is a registered DEMOCRAT - something he has publicly denied."

I think that actually, no political party really fits Moore, because he once said: "Kerry sucks, but Bush suck 100 times more."
And: "Democrats lose when they lose, and they lose even when they win, it's hard to get more pathetic than that."
So his movie his not about promoting Democrats, but only dismissing the Bush administration.

Quote by Dan... again: "NO MOVIE EVER MADE BY MOORE WAS RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING!"

To crush your accusations based on your personal opinion, here's a quote found in the the New York Times of June 20th,2004: "We have gone through every single word of this film -- literally every word -- and verified its accuracy," said Joanne Doroshow, a public interest lawyer and filmmaker who shared in a 1993 Oscar for documentaries and who joined the fact-checking effort last month.
To add to this quote, Michael said himself that he hired some fact-checkers that has nothing to do with his team and he said: "Everything we say are facts, if you find something false sue me."
He even added that he would give $10,000 to someone who finds something false in his movie.
Effectively, all that is about "Fahrenheit 9/11", but I think that his other movie are as accurate has this one, if you go with the logic that M. Moore is saying the truth.

Quote by Dan: "1 - GM is a good corporation - still the biggest c[a]r maker in the world"
and "2 - MORE AMERICANS ARE EMPLOYED BY THE AUTO INDUSTRY IN THE USA THAN EVER"

What you say there is true, but what Mike means is that they moved their industry from a really poor place (Flynt), witch it was one of the only way for the people to work for a living, all that to move (yes, they still hire Americans) to someplace where people live much better. More than that, GM has made the same thing near my home town in Quebec, Canada, after the government lend them huge loans, free of interests, so they could install their factory in Boisbriand, witch after 10 years, they closed and moved to Oshawa, where all the canadian car industries are, and where the people have much more job opportunities.

Quote, sadly, by Dan again: "3 - GUN CONTROL HAS NO EFFECT ON VIOLENT GUN CRIME - ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD (according to UN/Cambridge studies); and you could never get a gun at any bank."

Once again, I don't know about the bank account thing, but I know one thing, but what Michael Moore says in the 4/5 of "Bowling for Columbine", is that in fact, it is not he gun control that would change anything, because up here in Canada, we have almost 1 fire weapon per habitant (I don't have any, neither does my family, but that's an average), but we have about 1000 times less death caused by guns (the number in U.S.A is over 15,000 per years). He says that the problem is the Fear Society, created by the Bush Administration, and most of all, by the medias who makes big time money with stories of people shooting random victims and other other stuff like that. In average, there's always a few stories like that EVERY NIGHTS at the news (witch makes 365 times a few in a year), so lets say, about 1000 death by RANDOM criminal acts (about 365x3). In fact, 1000 is 0.0022222...% of the U.S. population, but how come most of the News Show (because yes this is a Show and not a journalist thing anymore) is dedicated to that kind of "news". After what I have said, I hope that Jon Henke will never say again: "Celsius 250 shows us a country kept in constant fear by Moore's own record and lulled into accepting a movie, Fahrenheit 9/11, that infringes on basic civil discourse. It is in this atmosphere of confusion, suspicion and dread that the Moore team makes its headlong rush..."

No need to say anything about the sexual assault false accusation, everything has Already been said (Thanks to Jericho).

Now my final point, about the Quote of the perfect example of the kind of naive person we need to turn the world up-side down and support lying political business man like George Walker Bush or his father George Hebert Walker Bush: "Only the danger posed by Islamofascism is greater than that posed by the Left.
If you REALLY want to increase human freedom, safety and prosperity WORLDWIDE, you must oppose Leftist policies."

Tell me one thing, just ONE thing, that left-wing (I'm talking about the book written by Karl Marx, not the application that Staline have made of it to control his population) has not to improve the well-being of the human race (And I don't want to hear it's bad for the economy because for me, this is not a bad, but GOOD argument in its favor)? If you say something like that, it's obvious that you neither left U.S.A. to visit a Communist country (witch Cuba is the only one left), and you we're brainwashed by the Anti-Communist Propaganda that started at the end of WWII and lasted untill the end of the Cold war.
I visited Cuba once, and I did NOT spend most of the time on the hotel site, but with the population, because I was in that country for a wedding. During my trip in that "evil communist region of our great Hyper-capitalist world", every faces I saw were bearing a SMILE (not a forced one like in North Korea), and I even had a ride (free of charge) by a Taxi driver when I was lost, past 11 p.m., in one of the biggest City in Cuba! Try to get a free ride by a Taxi in New-York or Los-Angeles... good luck! And why I stated the time, it's because I wasn't afraid of anyone (I wouldn't walk alone in the street of a big U.S. city alone, asking people for some help because I'm, hell no!) and people struggled to help me because I didn't speak Spanish and they didn't speak English (if I talk to someone in New-York only in French saying: "Me lost, help please", he would probably show me the way to the metro and that's all). All that to say that communism is not like you were taught it, but it bring the people to care about HUMANS rather than OBJECTS, and in fact, there's almost no crime in Cuba (there is, but really, really, really less than in the great U.S.A., and most of them are contraband stuff, because it's the only way to get some money). Ho, and did I say that nobody dies of hunger, because the government PAY ALL THE FOOD, that there are no homeless bums because the government PAY A HOUSE TO EVERYONE, did I say that nobody dies of untreated illness because the government PAY ALL THE HOSPTITALS FEES and did I say that everyone can go to the University because the government PAY ALL THE SCHOOL FEES ?
That was about the quote from shark: ""Hillary Clinton: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"
Lennin couldn't have said it better himself"
(But I agree with the fact that she live in a huge mansion while saying that kind of stuff).

Before I finish, I want to tell you that neither Michael Moore nor me are Left-Wingers, we are what I call "Middle-hearters", we are socialist, we believe that both Capitalism AND communism have their good and bad points. And one last thing, the world will only get better when the people will close their TV and open their eyes.

P.S.: Pardon me for any othographic/syntaxes error, English is not my 1st Language, and I'm currently on a 4 month trip to improve it.

I hope some people will change their minds after reading my short text :P

Sincerely your, Jon

Posted by: Jon at October 3, 2004 04:33 PM

Really constructive comment FGFNF :P.

Posted by: Jon at October 3, 2004 04:36 PM