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I might add to your summary of things to do to improve the overall health care situation is to advertise HSA's and high deductible type policies so that they become more known, less feared and more desirable. As a small business owner and a person with a pre-existing condition, I have found that it's not only a tax friendly way to go but a way in which we can really bring discipline to the whole health care cost of the business. Posted by: Holly S at July 15, 2004 11:37 AM |
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Another example of how the consumers of health care are insulated from its cost: In any other industry when the cost of raw materials or labor rise those costs are passed on to the consumer. Not so in medicine where physicians are locked into reimbursement contracts with insurance companies. So if the cost of bandages, Lidocaine, or my liability insurance rises, I cannot pass that on to the patient or insurance companies. That cost has to be eaten by me. This results in physicians refusing to see patients with certain types of insurance (Medicaid, for example). Posted by: Bard Parker at July 15, 2004 12:00 PM |
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I gotta stupid question: How come some Carribean island nation or Indian reservation doesn't lure a bunch of top-drawer medical professionals off to a plush resort-spa-hospital where all payments are in cash, and all services are on-the-spot? Just for the very rich, of course. But if the healthcare providers in the US are so hamstrung by legal barriers, then, like the gambling casino providers, I'd think they'd set up operations in some haven-nation where the laws don't apply. But it doesn't seem to have happened. Why is that? Posted by: Pouncer at July 15, 2004 12:09 PM |
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A very good summary of the current quandary we face with our nation's health care system. An additional action which might induce an actual *deflation* of the medical price index would be to eliminate any tax advantages for the purchase of health insurance. Posted by: Tongue Boy at July 15, 2004 01:13 PM |
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"Let's say a doctor charges $120 for an office visit. What does the patient care about that? A $10 co-pay gets them in to see the doctor whether they have dengue fever, or just a case of the sniffles. Someone else is paying the remainder of that $120 visit and it isn't the patient." When I visit the doctor I pay the $10 or $15 co-pay but I also pay medical insurance every other week out of my paycheck. Isn't the remainder of the $120 visit somewhat covered by the insurance I pay? Or is what I'm paying not enough to cover the full cost and therein lies the problem? If you could shed some light on this I would appreciate it. Posted by: mark at July 15, 2004 03:38 PM |
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Mark; Yes, your regular premium payment does offset some of that cost. But the fact that you pay anything leads me to conclude that you're probably employed by a small business. But for many companies, the employer pays the entire health premium for the employee. Having said that, though, your premiums are probably just deducted from your paycheck at the source, so you don't actually see them as part of your take-home pay. That tends to remove, psychologically, at least, the cost realization in the same way that writing a check every month would. Posted by: Dale Franks at July 15, 2004 03:51 PM |
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Mark, If your premiums went up for every visit, you might restrict your use a little bit more. Posted by: Galen at July 15, 2004 04:45 PM |
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Thanks Dale and Galen for your comments. Dale, I actually work for one of the major accounting firms. Posted by: Mark at July 15, 2004 05:55 PM |
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Wow, I guess accountants are penny-pinching bastards. I work for a company with about 150 employees and they pay the whole premium. When I had my radio show in LA, the radio station had less than 30 employees and they paid the whole bill, too. Posted by: Dale Franks at July 15, 2004 06:52 PM |
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Bear in mind, too, Dale, that he may be paying insurance for 2+ people, whereas you were (I'm guessing) paying only for yourself. My employer pays the premiums for single person policies, and you have to pick up the over and above costs if there are more people. Of course, you might expect that out of a radio station--especially in a major market like LA--because they typically have profit margins in the 20-40% range. Even a poorly performing station can have quite a substantial profit margin. Posted by: Jon Henke at July 15, 2004 07:11 PM |
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Yeah, I didn't get into the whole "paying for dependents deal", I was just talking about the principals. Oh, and as to the profitibility of KMNY when I worked there, I left soon after they sold the entire 4p-4a time slot for ethnic Chinese programming. That's not an indication of profitability. A couple of years later, Multicultural bought the whole shootin' match. Posted by: Dale Franks at July 15, 2004 08:03 PM |
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Two additional things to throw into the mix: The idea behind the $10 co-pay was to encourage people to take advantage of medical care while their ailment was still at an easily manageable stage (IE: prescribe an anti-biotic for an infection) instead of having them wait until the problem required radical treatment (hospitalization, scans, surgery, etc.). Has this, in fact, worked? Dunno, I'm asking. Second, many higher tech treatments have been developed in relatively recent times (CT scans, MRI's, etc.) which have huge equipment, maintenance, and training costs of entry to the market, driving up the overall cost of healthcare. Add to that the fact that these new treatments are working well, and you get people living significantly longer - and therefore using more healthcare than they might have a few years ago. Don't know what to do with that info, but it would seem to affect the calculation on a financial and societal level. Posted by: s. at July 15, 2004 09:04 PM |
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S, As the population ages, and we get more adept at treating chronic medical conditions, demand for health care services will continue to grow at a rapid rate. This fact underscores the point that we'll need to get alot more effecient at utilizing health care resources if we don't want to let things get much uglier than they are now. Right now, we have the luxury of supporting an imbalanced system, but it won't stay that way for long. Your first question is a good one. 10$ copays do make visits accessible, but for utilization purposes, maybe too accessible. Posted by: Galen at July 15, 2004 11:58 PM |
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