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Guess what, you just have sold another book. The next time I'm in Barnes & Noble, I'm going to try to pick this up. I'm fairly simple in my thinking when it comes to economics (I write programs for a living and couldn't balance a checkbook with $0 in the account). But it just seems to me that you don't fix a leaky pipe by increasing or decreasing the flow of water. I'd love to see the NST because I feel it would give the government more incentive to help us small business owners out (the more I produce, the more they get). I'd gladly increase what I pay for items if I could increase the amount of money I pull in by a larger percentage. How do we as citizens push for this type of tax reform? Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at July 26, 2004 08:16 PM |
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Hm. I thought that, as a demand-sider, you'd prefer a flat tax....but the non-economic (philosophical) reasons you list for the NST are quite compelling. Which do you think is more politically likely? Posted by: Jon Henke at July 27, 2004 05:44 AM |
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As long as there are exemptions for things like food, clothing, and housing, I'd go for an NST. Especially because of the underground economy. However, there's a better chance of Lyndon LaRouche being president then the US government adopting either a flat tax or a NST. Posted by: sean at July 27, 2004 08:17 AM |
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Sean: You need to hit the link I put at the bottom of Dale's post. It outlines the program to include exemptions such as you want. Its been around for a while, and, unfortunately, I'm of the opinion (as are you) that it'll be a cold day in hell before Congress will ever give up the power the present tax system gives them in order to simiplify all of this for the "little people" even if the new system would provide more revenue. Posted by: McQ at July 27, 2004 08:25 AM |
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Jon, Philosophy trumps economics on this one. Posted by: Dale Franks at July 27, 2004 08:37 AM |
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I agree with Sean. It's been truly depressing to watch a Republican congress and administration treat the tax code as just another piece of legislation to toss pork into. Posted by: pilsener at July 27, 2004 08:48 AM |
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How would an NST affect immigration? Those people who come across the border to work 'under the table' would still have to pay taxes that would then afford them the health care they are getting for free now. Does that seem right or am I missing something? Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at July 27, 2004 09:08 AM |
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If consumption went down, then it seems that there would be a measurable negative effect on the economy. Some sectors - auto comes to mind - would take a huge hit if prices rose 20%. Posted by: Ted at July 27, 2004 10:48 AM |
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Depending on how much is coming out of your check right now in witholding, Ted, maybe not. Remember, you get to take it all home under the NST. Posted by: McQ at July 27, 2004 10:54 AM |
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Ted, also, remember that labor costs are the highest fixed cost in manufacturing. An employeer who no longer has to do the required paperwork for income taxes, no longer has to do withholding payments, etc., is an employer who just cut his fixed costs. That might bring the price of the car down, too, and offset the sales tax. Posted by: Dale Franks at July 27, 2004 11:04 AM |
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An employeer who no longer has to do the required paperwork for income taxes, no longer has to do withholding payments, etc., is an employer who just cut his fixed costs. He's cut some of his fixed costs, but the savings would be minimal. Unless the national sales tax completely replaces Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance (I am not certain that it could, since the benefits of those are keyed to worker earnings), then the employer still must file paperwork for those taxes, and must remit withholding for them. Almost all states have an income tax, which would still be in place regardless of what the federal government does, so the paperwork and withholding for that would remain the same (and might even be more complex, because many states just take their figures from federal forms). And workman's compensation is another payroll-related expense. So, the only paperwork and payment that would go away would be Federal Income Tax, which I'd argue is small part of the whole. And even that would be replaced by paperwork and payments for the sales tax. To me, it looks like the fixed costs would be very nearly a wash. Posted by: Steverino at July 28, 2004 10:51 AM |
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Several points. First, The Fair Tax, as proposed, does not exempt food, clothing or shelter from sales tax. What they propose is to have the government rebate to EVERY person having a social security number an amount equal, or proportional (I dont remember whether it is exactly equal), to the current poverty level, annually. This means that nobody need starve or go without clothing or shelter at some minimal level, which could solve the regressive problem. Second, they propose taxing only retail sales, so that manufacturers and distributors, and their suppliers, pay no tax, meaning that the price of goods could drop by the amount of their cumulative federal tax burden. The cumulative corporate tax is substantial, perhaps 30-40% by the time it gets to the consumer (who ultimately pays all taxes). Private sales would not be taxed, including (at this point) real estate sales by private parties. Note that sales tax would be collected by retailers, who would receive a payment of something like 1% of their gross sales, monthly, to cover the administrative cost of collecting and forwarding the tax monies. There are further potential advantages for corporations in that they would be more competitive in the world market because they would not have to recoup their cumulative tax costs in foreign sales. Additionally, things like R&D or new equiopment would be current expenses and need not be depreciated, so tax policy need not control growth. Third, while I too would like to see the IRS go away, I think it is unrealistic. Under something like the Fair Tax plan it could become a federal crime for someone to "get it for you wholesale" to avoid payment of sales tax, so you can expect that the IRS would have a continuing role in surpressing that. John F. Posted by: John F. at July 31, 2004 03:43 PM |
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