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I just posted in Liveblogging Republicon '04 thread about this speech and I agree with what you have just said. The question is now, how does the general public see Kerry's 12:00AM talk?

Posted by: Phil Pusateri at September 2, 2004 11:23 PM

Well, Mr. Kerry, I am a veteran, and I do question your fitness to serve as Commander in Chief. Indeed, I flatly state that you are unfit

I'll do you one better. I certainly DO question his patriotism.

Now he can play the victim to his hearts content

Posted by: shark at September 2, 2004 11:24 PM

Dale, you didn't serve on his boat, so I'm sorry to inform you that you still are not allowed to criticize him. Perhaps you didn't get the fax.

Posted by: Jeff at September 2, 2004 11:49 PM

Jeff, merely serving on his boat is no longer enough. In order to comment on the Senator's war record, you have to have (1) been on his boat, (2) been pulled out of the water by him at some point, and (3) given him a hat.

Posted by: Jeff Harrell at September 3, 2004 12:16 AM

I retired a bit over a year ago (USAF). Have not been politically active, but I feel very strongly about this election. I too question Mr. Kerry's patriotism. Discount everything that may or may not have happened in Vietnam (even though I don't believe him - I've read the O'Neill's book). What he did when he got back was nothing more than politically expedient calculated treason. Maybe not treason as defined by the constitution, but close enough for me. I served with a good number of people from the Vietnam era and know a few ex-POWs. If he really did feel so strongly about the war, fine. He still did not need to take the approach he took. It was taken because the winds were blowing in that direction when he got back and he needed to redirect his political ambitions.

Unfit to serve, period.

Posted by: hitest at September 3, 2004 12:30 AM

What about the Boston Red Sox comment in front of Ohioans? That, personally, was perhaps the most idiotic statement I've ever heard uttered. The POTUS just finished talking about the future of our country and John Kerry thought the Red Sox's standing were "important to me" and believed Ohioans actually gave a s--t! It's time to start talking about John "political lightweight" Kerry. This guy is a DUD!

Posted by: thordaddy at September 3, 2004 02:33 AM

I agree with the gent from the USAF above. Only my time was with the Navy. I also knew an served with Vietnam Vets. Though I had only served under one POW (He was the CO of the Naval Air Station I as assigned to.) Kerry actions after his stint(s) in country are in my mind enough reason for any Vet with a conscience to not vote for him. His anti-war stance directly contributed to more deaths, pain, and left more scars physically and mentally on POWs (and other Vietnam Vets) than any single action of the war.

Ok, I am a tad biased. I can live with that. I can't abide having a reserve Naval Officer activly engaging with *the enemy*. Bush though far from perfect, and much closer to moderate then conservative, will have my vote come November. As a vet it's the only honorable thing to do.

Posted by: Guy S. at September 3, 2004 02:39 AM

Okaaaaaaaay. Kerry tried for a deferment to study in Paris. Didn't get it. Joined the Navy and applied for Swift Boats because they were off shore and not in a dangerous role at that time (as HE has admited). And when they did end up close inshore and under fire, 'swiftly' gained three purple hearts and uses a clause in the regs known to very few people (but including the SF officer he pulled out of the water...) and then leaves his crew as soon as he could.

Wow. And some people will actually VOTE for him?

Posted by: dave t at September 3, 2004 04:20 AM

Did I miss the part where Kerry talked about how his Vice Presidential pick gloriously saved dozens of men during a fiercely contested litigation in a court in North Carolina?

Posted by: looker at September 3, 2004 06:43 AM

Kerry is AMAZING! After 4 days of the Republicans talking about 9/11 and the war on terrorism, Kerrry stages a press conference to talk about VIETNAM.

I don't remember a more tone deaf Presidential candidate. Or is he really so afraid of the rest of his record, that he wants to keep the focus on 1969.

Posted by: pilsener at September 3, 2004 07:34 AM

His service aside, when John becomes President, I guess he'll tell those Saudis, Venezualians, Iranians, Kuwaitis, Libyans, etc....exactly how much they can charge us for the oil that we've been storing under their countries all these years.

Imagine the outcry if Bush had given a speech right after Kerry's during the Dem convention.
"I question the timing of this speech!"

Posted by: looker at September 3, 2004 08:07 AM

When you become a Saturday Night Live skit character at midnight on the first official day of your campaign, things ain't going too good.

Posted by: vnjagvet at September 3, 2004 08:49 AM

Call me crazy, but didn't Bush serve in the Air National Guard?

Wouldn't that make him, you know, a veteran?

Or is Kerry saying that only people that serve in wartime can criticize him?

Oh, wait. The Swift Vets served in wartime, and Kerry has gone to court to try to make sure they can't criticize him...

Get a good look at our next President, folks. The next four years aren't going to be pretty...

Posted by: Jay G at September 3, 2004 09:24 AM

The more this guy flames out the more I wonder if his handlers and advisers aren't working for the Vast Clintonian Conspiracy to ensure Hillary picks up the Democratic nomination as POTUS or VPOTUS in 2008.

I've been trying to figure out who is advising Kerry to fight this on his Vietnam record and his history in the Anti-War movement.

We KNOW she wants that job -
If Kerry & Edwards get it in 2004, she won't even begin to be eligible for it until 2012.
She'll have missed the wave and Hillary's chance in history will be gone.

It'll be telling perhaps to see how much money they DON'T spend before this is done trying to get Kerry elected.

Posted by: looker at September 3, 2004 09:41 AM

I saw our President for the next 4 years give his acceptance speech last night. He's got a couple of warts that I'd like to see removed, but he's a better choice then the "anybody but Bush" party is offering.

Posted by: looker at September 3, 2004 09:44 AM

After he couldn't lob the ball from the mound to home plate he doesn't realize that scores aren't posted ass backwards and the team with the most runs is winning. Nothing makes someone look like a bigger dork than pretending to know something about sports then making a fool about themselves. I don't know anything about modern art so I don't pretend that I do.

Posted by: Jack Tanner at September 3, 2004 11:16 AM

One could question the validity of mentioning the RedSox in front of a mostly Cleveland Indians crowd too. Its like cheering for the Buckeyes in front of a Michigan Wolverines crowd, just plain dumb.

Posted by: Chris at September 3, 2004 11:25 AM

You stay up till midnight, slur your words like you've been tossing back a few and then attack the Vice President?

Who attacks vice presidents?

Yikes.

All is not well in Kerry-town.

Posted by: McQ at September 3, 2004 08:18 PM

KERRY BEAT THE SYSTEM (with the help of the system, NYT etc)

It is a great mistake and a fraudulent one at that to buy into/accept/reason that somehow because Kerry went to Viet Nam, (in spite of whatever happened during his four month "visit")---that---that in itself somehow makes him honorable, noble, ----ad nauseum---an effort calculated by himself and his supporting media to give him some kind of recognition of his "service" thus transposing him into "war hero status". Never mind that he lied about it before/during/after!---and the "hero" is purely fictional, a perverted calculation, suspiciously based on and influenced by the equally dubious film, Apocalypse Now. Much to Hollywood's delight, the Kerry/Sheen character is the central casting hero being foisted upon the masses with no basis in fact, just slick Hollywood pretense all under the welcoming guise of the media, ---both entities--- driven by a hatred of and desire to depose, President Bush.

In an effort to want to put VN behind us, there is too great of rush to sweep under the rug the facts and to gloss over Kerry's motives, simply give him the benefit of the doubt and agree that his "service" was noble, something to be proud of.

If Kerry had genuinely volunteered to go to VN, put his life in some sort of danger via that action and then became disillusioned with the war---that would be one thing.

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED

Kerry is a premeditated, scheming opportunist---has been all his life and continues the ploy with his carefully engineered, central casting of "Kerry, the war hero, Kerry the man's man" and all that type of Hollywood fluff.

We have all seen Kerry in our every day lives. Remember back to your school days. Kerry was/is the "brown-noser", "apple polisher", "suck-ass", the loser always trying to take credit for someone else's achievements, the rodent who would stab anyone in the back to get notice, attention, credit. Back before "girlie-man" became popular, Kerry was what was then known as a sissy, a pansy, he was and is effeminate and his big mouth has always gotten him in trouble and he would run to others for protection, "to make it all right". Any time a man goes to so much trouble to demonstrate/prove he is a man, it is always because, deep down, he has doubts himself of his manhood---look at Kerry's limp wrist, the way he held the Philly hoagie, his one bounce pitch, most women are more manly than this clown. His "manhood" is as feigned as his Viet Nam heroics!

Kerry is Sgt Bilko. Kerry is the athlete who "enhances" his lacking ability with performance drugs to win. The Kerry twisted persona can justify anything to win---to him it matters not how he wins, only that he wins, he will crush anything that gets in his way, not from his own strength and courage, but using money from his sugar mamma to buy what he can't achieve on his own.

Kerry is the personification of "Catch 22". Kerry is a "user", ---wives, people, fantasies, ever upward climbing. How to get ahead in business without even trying, or, more personalized in Kerry's case, how to steal an election through fraud and deceit. And watch, if and when he loses, he will not go down as easy as Algore. Kerry will fight to contest the outcome, even if it is a 50 State sweep for the President,--- already Kerry has the mechanism in place to undo the election results, teams of lawyers throughout the U.S. ready to pounce, U.N. observers to make sure a "fair" election takes place(translation, one that delivers the Presidency to Kerry).

What Kerry actually did in Viet Nam was realize he could improve his credentials for eventually gaining the White House as his hero JFK before him did, by creating "another" PT109 episode. Kerry tried to avoid actual service, asking for deferments etc, but when it become inevitable that he should go, he then looked around for the "safest" way to create "Kerry the war hero". Initially, by volunteering for Naval duty, his thinking was he could stay out of harm's way by remaining off shore in a big naval vessel, which he did for a while. But being another face in the crowd on a large Navy vessel cramped his style, made it almost impossible to dream up ways to put in for phony medals, kept him under too much scrutiny to where he couldn't creat his destined "hero" image. Then, it occurred to him that piloting a swift boat could be used to create even more of an appearance of "combat" while not exposing himself to any real danger, at the time he applied, the swift boats were not involved or even close to any of the real fighting and he was driven by his delusion of grandeur as the rightful heir to JFK, PT 109, and ascendancy to the Presidency---and besides, he would have lots of time and opportunities to make his "home movies".

Now this is the real motive why Kerry was there in the first place. And the fact that he took along his "brownie" and had himself filmed in staged combat settings should be painfully awakening to any casual observer--- other than those who wish not to see,---ie the mainstream media who wishes Bush out, Kerry in AT ANY PRICE! (There are none so blind as those who will not see). Think about it if you find this somewhat extreme---what other military service personnel brought along (which shows premeditation) filming capability and then went to the trouble to "stage" combat sequences???---For what reason???? And this cold, calculated effort has significant basis to be workable as these purveyors of history "re-write" are counting on the average arm chair American to accept this fiction as fact because---"there it is on T.V., in film, if it is on T.V. and the talking heads say it is real, then by gosh, it must be real, it must be what really happened".

So, in essence, we have a phony cartoon character, much like Bubba, who goes to VN simply to create credentials for himself, not out of patriotic belief in his country or the war itself,--- instead we have the pitiful, disgusting charade that is now being spun by the mouthpiece of the "donks" and Kerry himself, ranting: "never mind the fine details of what actually happened, at least he volunteered, at least he was there"---what does it really matter if he was in or near Cambodia, at least he was in VN.

It matters because a lie is a lie.

Kerry's "service" in VN and to our country was no different than if Michael Moore went today to Iraq to film a twisted phony version of U.S. aggression in Iraq and in doing so, returned as a "veteran" who had put his life at risk in "service" to his country. There is no difference between these two, the ketchup/pickle king and the fat slob Moore. They both would--- and have--- sold their country out in a flat minute for any self-seeking, self-promoting, self-aggrandizement goal they felt they could gain by their fraudulent "service" to gain their perverted ends--- no matter what the cost, what the lie, who has to be hurt. In their twisted philosophy, the end result justifies the means used to achieve it.

To not really examine the true motive of Kerry's "service" and to give him a pass on all this by saying that at least he volunteered, he was there, he did sustain "some kind of injury", (even if it was self inflicted) is to sugar coat the fraud and play into his game plan of reaching the White House, where, in his twisted, fantasy mind, he believes he rightfully belongs and he is counting on "coach potato America" to apathetically accept his fraud due to the credential of Hollywood and the Media. If Streisand, perky Katie, Dan and all the rest of them say it is so, then it must be so!

Kerry's war "hero" status cannot stand up to any serious scrutiny, witness the cracks since the book, Unfit for Command, Kerry's refusal to release pertinent military records (until he gets them laundered) and the recent statement by Secretary of the Navy, Lehman, that the document supposedly carrying his signature for Kerry's Silver Star is FALSE. Kerry has wrapped himself as worthy due to his 4 months in Viet Nam, he cannot stand on his 20 undistinguished, practically useless years in the Senate. The man has no accomplishment in life other than living off of other men's money inherited by their widows who Kerry has sucked up to.

There is so much in the Kerry convoluted smoking gun that a fair and unbiased press would be all over his dillusions/falsehoods with a microscope, but no, the mainstream media refuses and has accepted the fictional Kerry farce because they want Bush defeated more than they want the truth. Rather than investigate Kerry, the mainstream media, ie the New York Times chooses to attack those who expose Kerry for the fraud that he is. Kerry is their candidate and they will ignore, look the other way, even fabricate for Kerry, whatever it takes to get "their" man in.

We, the American people cannot let this happen. No one elected perky Katie, Dan, Peter, Tom, George Soros, the NYT---the list goes on, but these people have more power than anyone else simply because of their celebrity status and Soros's money. If the next Presidential election is stolen/bought by the likes of these self appointed cronies of the fourth estate, America will lose her greatness, the word must go out to expose what is happening and people, regular people must take back our country before it is too late and get everyone possible involved in exposing this sham, the phony Kerry, the disgrace that has become the media, the threat to our country to be defeated from within.

Posted by: John Damon at September 4, 2004 03:44 PM