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"No controlling legal authority ...." Posted by: mklutra at September 8, 2004 01:37 PM |
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Precisely ... which give lie to the AWOL charges. In this case its actually true that the UCMJ was not the "contolling legal authority" and thus its charge of AWOL could not be applied. Bush has nothing to do with that, MK ... that's just the reality of the situation. Now that you know that, the next time you pop off with a "Bush was AWOL", I'll be forced to call your statement a lie. Posted by: McQ at September 8, 2004 01:40 PM |
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McQ, Posted by: Curt Mitchell at September 8, 2004 01:46 PM |
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bravo, but your explanation is inconvienient to those with an agenda and thus it will be ignored. Posted by: capt joe at September 8, 2004 01:48 PM |
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Curt: Its my understanding that this has always been the case since the NG belongs to the states and not the federal government like the army reserves. The reserves is a federal entity. The Guard is a state entity and they guard it jealously. Posted by: McQ at September 8, 2004 01:50 PM |
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In fairness, if it were to be proven that Bush had not showed up for required service, there are provisions of the Texas statutes that impose penalties for going AWOL: § 432.131. Absence Without Leave The debate here is about whether there's a hint of evidence that Bush didn't do something he was required or counted on to do. Which there still isn't. Posted by: Crank at September 8, 2004 06:22 PM |
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Let's see here. The Christmas-in-Cambodia, et al., press release about 7/31; MSM finally dragged kicking and screaming by bloggers to address story in raise-only-to-refute fashion, about 8/27. Bush AWOL story hit for about 35 days straight March-April; new Kerry campaign team says on 9/5 they're going on the attack; multiple, purely coincidental, articles on the discovery of even more Bush NG service records which support his service (hey, folks need to know when a dog bites a man, bub!) on 9/6, and AWOL back in play. Heck no, the media isn't partial to one party or campaign; they're just interested in the truth... if it's too damaging...to their guy. Posted by: Jumbo at September 8, 2004 06:24 PM |
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A working link to crank's source is here. And he's absolutely right about the real point, related to section 3 - there's no evidence Bush did not do something he was required to do. None. Zero. Zip. Posted by: Sigivald at September 8, 2004 06:30 PM |
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Whoa there, mates! While it is true that LT Bush could not be charged with AWOL because of his Air Guard Classification, the Guard and Reserves have a different classsification. Its called "Unauthorized Absence." Technically, abreviated as "UA" or shortened for the Sign-in / Sign-out roster as "U". A "U" is not an UCMJ violation--it is a classification for pay and accountability. Even today, if a National Guardsman or a Reservist receives nine "Us" in a year's time, they are to be separated from service. Thirty-five years ago, one COULD go into the Inactive Guard Program until one's status could be determined OR shipped off to Vietnam--technically Active Duty, but then, we all know where that would have ended up. The only problem is that most of the time, the nine "U" rule was not fully enforced. Units carried "ghost" soldiers to ensure funding and make commanders look good. And, only the truly needy got Active Duty status and sent to Vietnam--those who commanders felt needing a one year tour. I don't want to get into LT Bush's reasoning for taking the time off. Most Guardsmen and Reservist use the liberal policies to come to drill whenever they want. They continue to play this game even today. You have so many points to accrue per year to have a "good year" towards retirement. If you intend to retire from the Guard and Reserves, one must have 20 good years and receive the all important Twenty Year Letter. If you don't plan on retiring, then why bother with having good years--as long as you are not charged with a crime, you will receive an Honorable Discharge just for completing your statuatory obligation. Once they are activated/mobilized for more than thirty days, however, a guardsman is a federal soldier, subject as noted to UCMJ charge AWOL. Further noted with UCMJ is the fact that one cannot be classified as AWOL unless missing from duty for thirty days. This is hard for Guardsmen in state status as they only drill for one weekend a month and two-three weeks of annual training. So, LT Bush was UA for pay--this did not stop his "actively drilling" status for discharge, nor did it mean that he broke UCMJ. Still, the question that needs to be asked is why didn't the Texas Air National Guard leadership follow proper procedure? As a former IG (Inspector General), that would be the question that I would be asking. Posted by: Airborne at September 12, 2004 10:27 PM |
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