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What is the rush?
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, November 14, 2006

One of the more important points being made on the blogger conferences is the rush to have this upcoming election for the new House minority leadership for the 110th Congress. As Capt. Ed pointed out yesterday, it seems they're getting the cart before the horse.

Now many aren't interested in these races and consider them to be "inside baseball" stuff. But in fact their outcome may mean the difference between Republicans retaking the majority again in '08 or being out of the majority for a decade.

Yes, they're that important.

What should be taking place is some introspection and examination followed by some plain talk about why Republicans now find themselves in the minority position and what they need to do to regain the majority.

During that examination and after action review, my guess is the leaders and the plan will begin to emerge. And it is then, given the proper time, that this vote should take place.

But right now, without any of that being done or in place, Republicans are being rushed to vote on Friday for their new leadership with candidates being given 15 minutes to state their case. As one congressmen said, "we get 20 minutes to pick our office, you'd think we'd give something this important more time."

I have to agree. Why there is this rush to elect when the 110th Congress doesn't convene until January is beyond me. I certainly hope that cooler heads prevail and manage to get the present leadership and members to back off, do the ground work first and then elect leadership at the appropriate time ... that is if they're really interested in taking the majority again in '08.
 
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Because the Democrats are electing THEIR leadership now and if the Republicans don’t then as Pelosi/Murtha expound who will respond? And why wait? We know why we lost, it’s McQ’s fault...or the Evangelicals...or was it because we supported Terry Schiavo, even thoug she was inconvenient? Any way, waiting won’t clear up the details of the defeat any more and will give the D’s more chance to speak unimpeded, and give the impression that "Republicans are divided".

McQ likes Shadegg will that change in the future? Now no one really needs McQ’s input, BUT will his opinion change if the election is held in Dec? No probably not, nor will NRO’s support for Pence flag. So since no one’s mind is going to change about who ought to lead the Party. We all "know" why we lost, more time isn’t going to change anyone’s mind...look at 2004. It was JesusLand Ok mayhap it wasn’t mayhap it was something else. By the time we decide why we lost in ’06 it’ll be ’09....

Bottom-line: Better to do the wrong thing NOW, than to figure out what the right thing to do is an hour too late." Especially as we all know what needs to be done and it’s what YOU want us to do and don’t bring up any facts or polls, my mind’s made up.
 
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Because the Democrats are electing THEIR leadership now and if the Republicans don’t then as Pelosi/Murtha expound who will respond?
How about the majority leadership still in place?
 
Written By: McQ
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THIS Majority Leadership, the leadership that neither you nor I think much of will respond and they will commit FUTURE Republicans with their words? I don’t think that’s a good idea. Danny Hastert LOST and if we cared about what he thought about an issue well would he be a soon-to-be EX-Speaker?

So yep out with the old and in with the new, McQ..I’ll ask again is your support for Shadegg going to wane? If not why not put him in place NOW, rather than wait until January? IF Pence/Shadegg are the future of the R’s in Congress let them begin to be the future TOMORROW, well Friday. Wizened old men debate issues from CENTURIES past, the "cause" of the defeat will never be known adequately for years, so waiting around thinking doesn’t produce a good result, because we don’t have YEARS to wade thru peer-reviewed works on voter ID, turn-out and preferences.

You will note that the President dumped Donald AND simultaneously announced his successor, why not wait? Because things need to be done today and tomorrow that a lame duck Speaker/Secretary of Defense really aren’t up to.
 
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So yep out with the old and in with the new, McQ..I’ll ask again is your support for Shadegg going to wane?
Let’s be real honest here, Joe. You’re upset that I’m in a position to actually speak about the leadership in your party after actually interviewing them (3 today, the 4th at 5) and you’re pis*ed because all you’re able to do is vent your spleen at me in a comment section.
 
Written By: McQ
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I’m sorry Joe, can’t agree with you on this one....who will respond when Pelosi and Murtha expound? Either the GOP members can do it ad hoc, or maybe better yet- say nothing while those 2 idiots stick their feet in their mouths.

The best chance to get right back in is 2008. The Senate is that close, a good strategic plan may gain you that chamber back. Better to step back, take a deep breath and do it right this time rather than have the same cast of fools elect the same cast of fools again.

Basically, anyone in the old leadership positions should be disallowed from returning. It’s not going to be entirely fair to some, but the time for change is now.
 
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The longer the magnitude of the debacle sinks in the more likely the old guard will be replaced. That is why they want the election now.
 
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On this I am siding with McQ Joe. We all think we know what they need to do, I am not all sure it is clear to the Republicans holding office. Maybe it will not change anything, but I suggest they need to do a bit of listening and analysis before deciding what is best. Certainly a number of Republican politicians believe they need to do so. Even if they are wrong, why rush them?
 
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Let’s be real honest here, Joe. You’re upset that I’m in a position to actually speak about the leadership in your party after actually interviewing them (3 today, the 4th at 5) and you’re pis*ed because all you’re able to do is vent your spleen at me in a comment section.
No no spleen in this one McQ. Please don’t flatter yourself that your contact with Congresspeople has made me GREEEN with Envy (have a cigar). In fact I really hadn’t noted that you had..."You despise me don’t you Rick’ Bogart:’Well Ugatti if I thought about I probably WOULD." You’re wrong, that’s all. Just like you’ve been wrong about Lebanon, wrong about doubling the size of Spec Op’s forces, you’re wrong. Today there’s nothing personal in it.

I’ve pointed out WHY you’re wrong. You can address the issues I’ve raised or you can just dismiss them, I can’t change that. But honestly in this case you’re incorrect. The R’s need to move on...the magnitude of the debacle is open to debate...It was a thump’n (Dubya/Chimpy) it was well within the range of a 6th year election cycle (VDH) No it wasn’t Reagan only lost a few (NRO, today)..we don’t agree on the MAGNITUDE nor do we agree on the causes. More time is NOT going to answer that, OK it WILL but it will take YEARS, we only have months.

So again, explain if you will WHY the election of Pence/Shadegg/Blunt/Boehner in JANUARY will be preferable to election in NOVEMEBER. The few weeks difference ISN’T likely to change anyone’s opinion of the candidates or the necessity or lack thereof for change....
 
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So again, explain if you will WHY the election of Pence/Shadegg/Blunt/Boehner in JANUARY will be preferable to election in NOVEMEBER.
Read the post, Joe ... that’s why I wrote it.
 
Written By: McQ
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OK..I’ve read it three times. You’re wrong. I guess we’ll just to agree to disagree. Again, what difference in thinking will 6 weeks make? It gives Pelosi et. al. the DOUBLE advantage of being the majority AND being the only crew talking about the issues. I see no need to give the D’s 6 free weeks.
 
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OK..I’ve read it three times. You’re wrong. I guess we’ll just to agree to disagree. Again, what difference in thinking will 6 weeks make? It gives Pelosi et. al. the DOUBLE advantage of being the majority AND being the only crew talking about the issues. I see no need to give the D’s 6 free weeks
Joe....I can see quite the advantage to having Pelosi and Murtha et al being the only ones talking. Let them talk and talk and talk for 6 weeks about withdrawal, killing the patriot act, stopping the domestic surveliance of terrorists, scrapping the border fence, blocking Bolton’s nomination (f*ck you Chaffee) etc etc etc.

Hell, I’d almost say it’s worth it for the GOP to impose a gag order for 6 weeks.
 
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As a quick followup.....from my own perspective, the Bolton re-nomination will be the perfect 1st fight for the Pres and the GOP to pick with the Dems in the new congress. Outside of being vindictive b*tches, there’s absolutely no good reason to block him. Lets make some of those Red-state Dem senators make votes they’ll regret come election time.
 
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